Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby akwilks on Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:07 pm

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Viewing the Zodiac symbol as a clockface, Zodiac himself has marked 6, 8, 9, 10, 11. Missing is a 7.

What does this mean? Why did he do this?

Jensen/Faraday (12/20/68) = 12 + 20 + 68 = 100 Divided by 5 = 20 -10 = 10

Ferrin/Mageau (7/4/69) = 7 + 4 + 69 = 80 Divided by 5 = 16 - 10 = 6

Hartnell/Sheperd (9/27/69) = 9 + 27 + 69 = 105 Divided by 5 = 21 - 10 = 11

Paul Stine (10/11/69) = 10 + 11 + 69 = 90 Divided by 5 = 18 - 10 =8

Officer Radetich (6/19/70) = 6 + 19 + 70 = 95 Divided by 5 = 19 - 10 = 9

Donna Lass (9/6/70) = 9 + 6 + 70 = 85 Divided by 5 = 17 - 10 = 7
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby KITE on Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:38 pm

Well, what I guess is going on here is that Zodiac is marking the 4 crime dates already committed and warning of the next as consistent with what he writes next to the Zodiac symbol....."or I shall do my thing". The 95 being next would also complete a sweep of all the 4 points of the Zodiac symbols since the first TWO were both NORTH(12/20/68=100 and 7/4/69=80) Then 9/27/69=105(EAST) 10/11/69=90(SOUTH). So, at that point in time, a 95(WEST) hasn't happened and is needed to complete the circle. It could also be that there were TWO NORTH point dates needed to represent starting and finishing there, but that's not in exact order: N,N,E,S,W OR AABCD. So how does (6,8,9,10,11) become (80,90,95,100,105)? ADD TEN AND THEN MULTIPLY BY FIVE. Pretty simple and straightforward. So about the missing 7. Or 7=85. Zodiac may have only wanted to warn or clue in about his next crime date(95). But, once there is a 95, then the numbers are 80,90,95,100,105....so it is seen that an 85 would complete that number string. 85(9/6/70) follows 95(6/19/70). Maybe Zodiac wanted to write out (6,7,8,9,10,11) to match all the numbers he planned as crime dates (80,85,90,95,100,105) but intentionally left out the number 7 because he intended to have a missing persons case for that number(7=85=9/6/70). In other words, a word game. The missing 7 because it will be a missing persons case. Those numbers(80,85,90,95,100,105) if you add them up(80+85+90+95+100+105)=555. Interesting and more of the same, as far as working this around the number 5. What about this Flight 555. I've heard mention of it but not sure where it's from? So obviously I'm wondering if it could be connected to this? Maybe, like saying, well I'm done with my 555 number game here out West, so now I'm leaving(for Montana?) or, you know, wherever this demented killer was off to.
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby KITE on Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:28 pm

By the way, AK, you mentioned in your last two posts about the missing 7. I have to wonder? Were you hinting at the idea a possible word game from Zodiac concerning the missing 7 in the sequence 6,8,9,10,11 as it might apply to the 9/6/70 case? It's a funny thing looking back at the previous posts because I didn't realize that I had used the word MISSING or called it the MISSING 7. It's funny, because that word association idea apparently only made it as far as my subconscience mind, or, in other words, it apparently only registered subconsciously. At the risk of bragging about myself, I believe I have extremely acute powers of observation. By calling it the MISSING 7 but then not connecting that to the 9/6/70 case, it might show how word associations and related almost instinctively or automatically cling to my subconscience like a large powerful magnet might scoop up stray scraps of metal as it passes over them. From there, it's a short distance to recovery.
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby akwilks on Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:29 pm

TBZ/Aquiman commented:

This is a very interesting theory. Z may have just been testing the limits of LE's imagination and intelligence to confirm his victims. Zodiac, however, would not have been able to "complete" his watch face using this particular formula (i.e., dividing the sum by five and then subtracting ten). The smallest number attainable (at least in the 20th century) would have been "5"... e.g., 1/5/69, 1/4/70, etc. The one, two, three, and four o'clock positions would be left blank unless he used a different formula. For the sake of argument, I determined which dates in 1969 through 1971 could have been used to fill the five and 12 o'clock positions (assuming that Lass would have filled seven o'clock). They are:

For five o'clock:

1/5/69 (Sun)
2/4/69 (Tues)
3/3/69 (Mon)
4/2/69 (Wed)
5/1/69 (Thurs)
1/4/70 (Sun)
2/3/70 (Tues)
3/2/70 (Mon)
4/1/70 (Wed)
1/3/71 (Sun)
2/2/71 (Tues)
3/1/71 (Mon)

For 12 o'clock:

10/31/69 (Fri)
11/30/69 (Sun)
12/29/69 (Mon)
10/30/70 (Fri)
11/29/70 (Sun)
12/28/70 (Mon)
8/31/71 (Tues)
9/30/71 (Thurs)
10/29/71 (Fri)
11/28/71 (Sun)
12/27/71 (Mon)

If we further narrow the sets by assuming Z only sought victims on a Friday or Saturday, then no dates (during 1969 through 1971) meet the criteria for five o'clock. There are three (all on Friday) for 12 o'clock:

10/31/69
10/30/70
10/29/71

None of those dates really jump out at me as one which corresponds to a possible Z murder date, but I'm going off failing memory.

AK: I agree with what you posted. Perhaps someone out there may recgonnize a date as an unsolved with murder, with at least some Z characteristics.

Your post did stimulate me to thinking, and I am not sure how I missed this, but consider these:

Judith Hakari = 3/7/70 = 80. 80 Divided by 5 = 16 - 10 = 6

Nancy Bennallack 10/25/70 = 105. 105 Divided by 5 = 21 - 10 = 11

Joan Webster 11/28/81 = 120. 120 Divided by 5 = 24 - 10 = 14 (Too high a number for clockface). 14 - 10 = 4


Zodiac has been mentioned by police, reporters, Graysmith and researchers most often as perhaps responsible for these crimes in 1970:

Judith Hakari 3/7/70
Kathleen Johns 3/22/70
Richard Radetich 6/19/70
Donna Lass 9/6/70
Nancy Bennallack 10/25/70

Zodiac claimed credit for Johns, hinted at Radetich, hinted at Lass with the Pines card, probably hinted at Bennallack with the "14" on the Halloween card. No hint at Hakari, but I do think he upped the victim count after her death.

All five match into the number theory. That is interesting, as all the four confirmed Z crimes also match into the number theory.

9 for 9.

You make a valid point about the inability to get a 1, 2, 3 or 4. That at least raises the possibility that the most logical way to do that consistent with the proposed system is simply to subtract 20 instead of 10. If you do that, then the Webster case fits and produces a 120 divided by 5 equals 24 subtract 20 and it equals 4.

As Mr. Spock would say, "Fascinating".
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby KITE on Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:02 pm

Just looking into some ideas with the idea that the real Zodiac may have known or otherwise alluded to the name Ted Kaczysnki. Also the idea that the Zodiac symbol marked the twelve signs of the Zodiac to go along with the name. The first 2 dates (12/20/68=100) and (7/4/69=80). Those end up being 10 and 6 with the (divide by FIVE, minus TEN). If I'm not mistaken, the TENTH sign and the SIXTH of the Zodiac are----the tenth begins with the letter C and the sixth V. The idea of possibly alluding to the initials (CV), with the V on the revolutionary date. The name Thoeodore J Kaczynski has a lot of 0,5 letters: T(20) E(5) O(15) O(15) E(5) J(10) Y(25). They add up to 95. You might also count the Z as zero. The letters of the alphabet are 5(E) 10(J) 15(O) 20(T) 25(Y). There may be enough to possibly suggest the idea that Zodiac was hinting at 8/3/69, fitting the 80-105 pattern with an 80. It could show that he was looking to act on 80-105 number dates and claim or otherwise hint of 80-105 number dates that weren't necessarily immediately solved.
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby KITE on Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:05 pm

The Hakari and Bennallack cases taken together, if I'm not mistaken, both are Sacramento cases that are in close proximity. The numbers add up to 3/7/70=(80) and 10/25/70=(105). These 2 Sacramento cases are possibly, in my opinion, a parallel to the two Zodiac cases 12/20/68=100 and 7/4/69=80. Zodiac, apparently waited roughly (6 months and 15 days) and returned to the same area, Vallejo. Perhaps the two Sacramento cases are connected, and the possible parallel of the killer returning to the same area, these two cases would involve a roughly (7 month and 18 day) timeframe in between. Another thing is the possible 1986 Zodiac letter that mentions Sacramento with the possible postmark of March 6?
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby akwilks on Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:34 pm

I think that 1986 Zodiac letter likely has a postmark of MAY 6, 1986.

Hakari and Bennallack did libe very near each other, same neighborhood.

Given that it seems that all four confirmed Zodiac crimes fit the number theory, and all five possible 1970 Zodiac also fit the number theory, for 9 out of 9 total, I thought I would look at some dates in other serial murder cases to see if this was a common thing, and thus we are making something out of nothing, or if it is indeed rare.

I thought I would look at the first 9 or so dates in each case. Remember, Zodiac case is 9 for 9 on dates ending in a 0 or 5, i.e., they are divisible by 5.

Since 2 out of every 10 random dates will fit, we might expect 15 to 30% in any given case, just by chance. With Zodiac being 100% on 9 dates, it seems to be intentional.

GREEN RIVER KILLER:

1 Wendy Lee Coffield 16 July 8, 1982
2 Gisele Ann Lovvorn 17 July 17, 1982
3 Debra Lynn Bonner 23 July 25, 1982
4 Marcia Fay Chapman 31 August 1, 1982
5 Cynthia Jean Hinds 17 August 11, 1982
6 Opal Charmaine Mills 16 August 12, 1982
7 Terry Rene Milligan 16 August 29, 1982
8 Mary Bridget Meehan 18 September 15, 1982
9 Debra Lorraine Estes 15 September 20, 1982
10 Linda Jane Rule 16 September 26, 1982
11 Denise Darcel Bush 23 October 8, 1982 ***

Of the first 11 murders, only the last one fits. So, 1 out of 11.

TED BUNDY

1974

January 4: Joni Lenz (pseudonym) (age 18): Bludgeoned and sexually assaulted in her bed as she slept[63] Survived[64][65]
February 1: Lynda Ann Healy (21): Bludgeoned while asleep; abducted[66] Skull and mandible recovered at Taylor Mountain site[92]
March 12: Donna Gail Manson (19): Abducted while walking to concert at Evergreen State College. Body left (according to Bundy) at Taylor Mountain site, but never found[191]
April 17: Susan Elaine Rancourt (18): Disappeared after evening advisors' meeting, Central Washington State College[67][68] Skull and mandible recovered at Taylor Mountain site[92] ***
May 6: Roberta Kathleen Parks (22): Vanished from Oregon State University in Corvallis. Skull and mandible recovered at Taylor Mountain site[92] ***
June 1: Brenda Carol Ball (22): Disappeared after leaving the Flame Tavern in Burien, Washington.[69] Skull and mandible recovered at Taylor Mountain site[92]
June 11: Georgeann Hawkins (18): Disappeared from alley behind her sorority house, UW.[72] Skeletal remains recovered at Issaquah site[91]
July 14: Janice Ann Ott (23): Abducted from Lake Sammamish State Park in broad daylight.[83] Skeletal remains recovered at Issaquah site[90] ***
July 14: Denise Marie Naslund (19): Abducted four hours after Ott from the same park.[84] Skeletal remains recovered at Issaquah site[90] ***
October 2: Nancy Wilcox (16): Ambushed, assaulted, and strangled in Holladay, Utah.[98] Body never found
October 18: Melissa Anne Smith (17): Vanished from Midvale, Utah, after leaving a pizza parlor. Body found in nearby mountainous area[100]
October 31: Laura Aime (17): Disappeared from a Halloween party in Lehi, Utah. Body discovered by hikers in American Fork Canyon[102] ***
November 8: Carol DaRonch (18): Attempted abduction in Murray, Utah. Escaped from Bundy's car and survived[104]
November 8: Debra Kent (17): Vanished after leaving a school play in Bountiful, Utah. Body left (according to Bundy) near Fairview, Utah; minimal skeletal remains (one patella) found, but never positively identified as Kent's[247]

5 out of 14, about what you would expect by pure chance.
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby KITE on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:57 am

That's exactly right-why is the 1 in 5 chance defied as much as it is? As far as the Zodiac symbol with the X's marked on it. I think it's the X from equinoX. What I'm looking at it is the Zodiac symbol has a center and the circle around it represents the sphere with the X's as equinox, points along the sphere. The 12 notches around the Z-symbol mark the twelve signs. And here's something: the word EQUINOX has a number for letter of (5+17+21+9+14+15+24)=105. I'm suggesting that that total of (105) is not necessarily a coincidence as it applies to this 5 and 10 number theory and may actually be foundational.
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby KITE on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:39 pm

I think I might know what was possibly intended here. Zodiac may have wanted 6 dates, the numbers (80,85,90,95,100,105) then they are reduced to (16,17,18,19,20,21) by dividing by FIVE and then minus TEN to place them along the Zodiac symbol as (6,7,8,9,10,11). Now, at the time (11/9/69) he only had 4 dates(80,90,100,105), added(warned of) the next date(95), and so the Zodiac symbol, at that time(11/9/69), had a (6,8,9,10,11). The hinting of the dates (6/19/70) and (9/6/70) completed the 6 dates(80,85,90,95,100,105)=(6,7,8,9,10,11). But here's why he possibly only wanted 6 dates, and it seems so obvious now, but thinking of something simple is sometimes difficult. If you draw a line from the X thru the center to the opposite point, all the points are covered. (6 in a line thru the center goes to the zero). (7 in a line thru the center goes to 1)(8 goes to 2)(9 goes to 3)(10 goes to 4)(11 goes to 5). (6,0,7,1,8,2,9,3,10,4,11,5)= All Twelve Points are covered. All that is if I'm not mistaken. So, even though I believe that Zodiac was active in many states and different parts of California, I believe he used 6 dates to complete his numbers around the Zodiac circle game. The first four are obvious: (12/20/68=100) (7/4/69=80)(9/27/69=105)(10/11/69=90). The first attempt at 95(3/22/70). Zodiac said he was involved there. (6/19/70=95) Zodiac gave details for that date that seemed to suggest he could have possibly been involved. (9/6/70=85) Arguably Zodiac is cryptically hinting at involvement with the 3//22/71 postcard. The postcard is interesting in the context of all this in that it may be interpreted cryptically as Zodiac moving on to the land of snow and trees, a return to nature, especially since communications from him apparently cease there. So with possibly hinting at a case from 6 months earlier, Zodiac could be announcing the completion of his circle on his way out of the Bay area to Montana or wherever he might be leaving for. The page numbering that says 6/6 at the top of the same page of the X's on the Zodiac symbol might be a clue.
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Re: Number Theory Linking Zodiac Murder Dates

Postby akwilks on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:34 pm

That is great work, I think this is a potential major discovery.

It seems way, way beyond chance. It fits perfect like clockwork. 9 out of 9? Come on!

I am working on this some more as I get the chance, there may be more here.
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