Zodiac 340 3rd Line & Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Zodiac 340 3rd Line & Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Postby akwilks on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:16 pm

I am working on the Z340, taking a new look at some old discoveries and trying out some new idea. I am also looking at the Zodiac car door writing, the numbers he wrote on the door, and if they could be clues to apply to the case and the codes, in more ways then one. As always, I welcome any criticism, corrections, questions, suggestions and / or feedback.






- - ---- - -C - - - - - - - - -- - --- - - -9 Caesar Shift
- - --- - - F A K N Y Z N K UF N Y +6 Caesar Shift
- --- - - -I X H K V WK H R I K V 3 Caesar Shift
- ---- - - L U E H S T H E O LH S - Third Line Raw Zodiac 340 RG Proposed Solution
S E EA N A M EBWEOL L R S E ---- Fourth Line Raw Zodiac 340 RG Proposed Solution
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Re: Zodiac 340 Raw RG Solution 3rd Line - Under Construction

Postby akwilks on Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:15 am

Space under construction.
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Re: Zodiac 340 Raw RG Solution 3rd Line - Under Construction

Postby RH13 on Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:29 am

looking forward to your follow up posts
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Zodiac 340 3rd Line & Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Postby akwilks on Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:47 am

This lets you see the Raw Graysmith 3rd line in context. The 3rd has THEO appearing as is, naturally. When you apply a 0-3-6-9 Caesar Code matrix to the 3rd line, you get KAC, ZYN and SKI appearing before and after THEO. But what makes it stand out even more is the 4th line of the Raw Graysmith. Which reads SEE A NAME.

In other words, out of all the places for THEO and a Caesar coded KACZYNSKI to appear, it happens right before the decoded 340 asks us the question, "See A Name?"

- - ---- - -C - - - - - - - - -- - --- - - -9 Caesar Shift
- - --- - - F A K N Y Z N K UF N Y +6 Caesar Shift
- --- - - -I X H K V WK H R I K V 3 Caesar Shift
- ---- - - L U E H S T H E O LH S - Third Line Raw Zodiac 340 RG Proposed Solution
S E EA N A M EBWEOL L R S E ---- Fourth Line Raw Zodiac 340 RG Proposed Solution

And here is a close up of the 3rd line:

Zodiac 340 Raw Graysmith Third Line THEO KAC ZYN SKI.jpg
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Re: Zodiac 340 Raw RG Solution 3rd Line - Under Construction

Postby akwilks on Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:00 am

Please post any comments, criticisms or questions about the 3rd and 4th line here.

Looking at a different but related topic, I want to raise the question "Does the writing on the car door at Lake Berryessa give us direct clues on how to approach the Zodiac codes?"

First, real quick, consider that the car door writing has numbers in neat rows, almost suggesting the numbers be added up. And when they are added up, you get the startling patterns seen in the Kite number theory - they are divisible by 5, and can be reduced to the numbers of a clock face, when Zodiac marked certain numbers on the clock to seemingly match murders he committed.



Now consider that twice Zodiac gives us the numbers 0 3 6 9. First, on the map code he sent. Where you would expect to see the directional indicators N, E, S, W, or perhaps 90, 180, 270, 360, instead you see 0,3, 6, 9. And on the car door, once again, you see 9,6,3,0.

Even more specifically, the car door gives the sequence of 9 9 6 9 6 3 0.
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Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Postby akwilks on Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:11 am

Looking at a different but related topic, I want to raise the question "Does the writing on the car door at Lake Berryessa give us direct clues on how to approach the Zodiac codes?"

First, real quick, consider that the car door writing has numbers in neat rows, almost suggesting the numbers be added up. And when they are added up, you get the startling patterns seen in the Kite Number Theory - they are divisible by 5, and can be reduced to the numbers of a clock face, when Zodiac marked certain numbers on the clock to seemingly match murders he committed. See viewtopic.php?f=14&t=145 for more on the Kite Number Theory, and the excellent graphics by Aweshucks which illustrate and explain it.

Zodiac Car Door Writing Sept Lake Berryessa Numbers In The Dates Add up to 100  80  105  All Divisible By 5.jpg
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Now consider that twice Zodiac gives us the numbers 0 3 6 9. First, on the map code he sent. Where you would expect to see the directional indicators N, E, S, W, or perhaps 90, 180, 270, 360, instead you see 0, 3, 6, 9.

Zodiac Map Crosshair Circle 0 3 6 9.jpg
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And on the car door, once again, you see 9,6,3,0.

Zodiac Car Door Writing 9 6 3 0.jpg
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Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Postby akwilks on Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:32 am

Even more specifically, the car door gives the sequence of 9 9 ... 6 9 ... 6 3.

September is the 9th month, 27 is 2+7 = 9, then 69 63.


Zodiac Car Door Writing Sept 27 69 630 With Number Pattern of 99 69 63 Noted Large.jpg
Zodiac Car Door Writing Sept 27 69 630 With Number Pattern of 99 69 63 Noted Large.jpg (168.18 KiB) Viewed 441 times


When we look at the Zodiac 408 Code, as correctly solved by the Hardens, we are left with the "Unsolved 18" at the end of the code. When we apply the Harden Key, which correctly translates the rest of the code, the last 18 appear to be a random letter string, starting with EBE.

Taking the 0 3 6 9 clues, which Zodiac gives us on the map code and the car door, as seen above, what if we apply Caesar shifts of 0, 3, 6, 9 to the unsolved 18 letter string?

Then lets apply the specific number pattern 99 69 63 given to us on the car door. The sequence starts with 03 and ends with 60.

Running backwards, lets apply the car door number sequence of 99 69 63, as 99 then 69 doubled and 63 doubled, so 66 99 66 33. Then apply the car door number sequence again, so 69 63.

When we do what I describe above, in a framework that starts with 03 and ends with 60, applying the car door number sequence as 99 then 69 63 doubled, so 66 99 66 33, then the car door number sequence again as 69 63, it produces the name THEODORE J KACZYNSKI.


Zodiac Unsolved 18 From The Zodiac 408 Code 0 3 6 9 Caesar Shifts THEODOREJ KACZYNSKI.jpg
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Re: Zodiac 340 3rd Line & Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Postby KITE on Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:38 am

Well, I can't really criticize the Line 3 possible cryptic shift involving (ZCAK NY (THEO) IKS) since I consider it fairly flawless. But you seemed to have gone with a different variation. I could be mistaken, but haven't you used the T in THEO to get the letter Z (with a 6 shift) resulting in............
CAK NYZ (HEO) IKS (99666(HEO)330)?
In other words, if I'm not mistaken, you used twelve and not thirteen decoded letters and have not included that first letter I (as the 9 shifted Z) ? which would be.....

ILUEHS (THEO) LHS = ZCAK NY (THEO) IKS..........(996666(THEO)330)

At any rate, I believe you're on to something when you note the (9-6:30) and wonder if Zodiac possibly was clueing in with his car door writing? Was Zodiac possibly clueing in on the 340 cipher Line 3 possible shift to ZCAK NY (THEO) IKS with the last DATE he listed on the car door?:

SEPT 27-69-6:30

Let me just separate that: (SEPT 27-6)(9-6:30)

So, the (9-6:30) compared to how the shift numbers run down in Line 3 from the 340 cipher.... (996666(THEO)330) (ZCAK NY (THEO) IKS)

(9-6:30)
(996666(THEO)330)

So there are THREE parallels to possibly draw between the two, in my opinion:

1. Both descend at 9-6-3-0
2. The colon, if that is the correct word, separates the 6 and 3, just like THEO separates the 6 and 3.
3. SEPT 27-69-6:30 is the whole listing of the date, and for some reason he uses SEPT instead of the number 9 (after listing the other dates as just numbers (12-20-68 and 7-4-69)). So, why did he decide to write SEPT instead of 9? Within the idea that he was clueing in on a cryptic shift that he (possibly) planned to include in Line 3 of the relatively soon to be sent in 340 cipher, the use of SEPT could have been meant to match up with THEO?

Generally speaking SEPT could be considered a 4-letter abbreviation for SEPTEMBER and THEO could be seen as a 4-letter abbreviation for THEODORE? (did the real Zodiac know of Ted Kaczynski?)

So, this scenario would, most likely, in my opinion, involve Zodiac having already worked out at least the beginning of the 340 cipher before 9-27-69, which seems reasonable, in my estimation. (And perhaps that he intentionally acted around 6:30?)

Concerning a car door-clueing in on (EBEORIETEMETHHPITI), I believe there is, at the least, a general clueing on that since, if I'm not mistaken 18 letters were used on the car door. (to go along with (9-6:30) as a clue?)

Concerning the Zodiac symbol that Zodiac marked in a Zodiac communication. Was that 2012? when I suggested that those marks had to do with the Zodiac dates? (80-85-90-95-100-105?) I suggested that those marks were to be considered marked on a 60 minute or degree circle resulting in: 90,100,105,110,115. The idea was that they were 10 off of the dates (80-90-100-105) and that the fifth was warning of the next date:

90=80 (7+4+69)
100=90 (10+11+69)
105=95 (warning of next date)
110=100 (12+20+68)
115=105 (9+27+69)

So, the idea for Zodiac being 10 off is that perhaps he didn't want to be too generous with a clue and thus marked them 10 off?

But later, not too long after that, I figured out that if SIX of the zodiac signs numbers-for-letters were added to the numbers-for-letters in the word zodiac(58), the result was:
90,100,110,115,155,165

155 is the same as 95 on a 60 minute or degree circle, if I'm not mistaken. 165 is the same as 95. So those numbers can be seen as (90-95-100-105-110-115). So, those numbers would correctly match the marks on the Zodiac symbol Zodiac marked, if I'm not mistaken. It's just that TWO dates haven't happened up to that point: 155 and 165 which equal 95 and 105 on a 60 circle. 95 and 105 would equal 85 and 95 as Zodiac-acted on-dates (10 off). Neither dates had happened up to that point, but the idea is that Zodiac marked the 105 (started as 165) to warn of his next date (95 (ten off)). And I believe that ended up being 6-19-70 (equals 95), after an attempt on 3-22-70 (equals 95).
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Re: Zodiac 340 3rd Line & Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Postby KITE on Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:55 am

Just to continue from the previous post: Turns out, If I'm not mistaken that the 18 letters on the car door (Vallejo-Sept-by knife) can be 0-3-6-9 shifted to (Theodore J. Kaczynski), if I'm not mistaken on any of that.
(did the real Zodiac know of Ted Kaczynski?)
Here's one possible 0-3-6-9 shift pattern:

Theodore J. Kaczynski = KNVIALLE S BJTFPEYEO = 96963360 9 999699966

I'm sort of posting quickly so I could have made a mistake, but there should many other possible patterns.

What I'm wondering though is that if these 18 letters is restrictive enough to a certain extent or in a certain way as to make the odds of THEODORE J. KACZYNSKI being 0-3-6-9 shiftable to BOTH of the 18 letters (Vallejo-Sept-by knife) and (EBEORIETEMETHHPITI) even lower than what it already is with just (EBEORIETEMETHHPITI), which in my opinion is less than one percent?

I haven't had a chance to really look it over just yet, however.
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Re: Zodiac 340 3rd Line & Zodiac Car Door Writing As A Code Clue

Postby KITE on Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:27 pm

This is a very interesting topic. At any rate, AK, you said that you welcomed suggestions and feedback:

I think that you might have the wrong number series. (Or else possibly, multiple clues were intended?)
If I'm not mistaken, from (SEPT 27-69-6:30) you got (9-9-6-9-6-3-0)

I believe that Zodiac wrote out SEPT for its numbers-for-letters (A=1, B=2, M=13, Z=26 etc.)
SEPT=60 (S=19, E=5, P=16, T=20)=60....If I'm not mistaken.

I also believe 27 was used as: (9x3)=27

So, that's SEPT=(60) 27=(9x3) 69 6:30

The number series is, in my opinion: 60 93 69 630

So, that's (609369630)

That's 9 numbers and all are (0-3-6-9), so of course it occurred to me right away that this could be a 0-3-6-9 shift to KACZYNSKI. (did the real Zodiac know of Ted Kaczynski?)
So, if I'm correct, what are the NINE letters that shift to (or from) KACZYNSKI?
I tried different words and then finally found what I believe are the NINE letters possibly alluded to with this possible cryptic of sorts number series: SECRET PAL

The (BY KNIFE) was written on BOTH the car door as well as in the Secret Pal Halloween Card communication. (And both involved the 27th.) So, in other words, I believe that Zodiac planned things out well in advance and there possibly? was co-ordination between the SEPT 27-69-6:30 writing on the car door and the 10-27-70 communication. There's a lot of time between 9-27-69 and 10-27-70. That could be problematic in the analysis.

Perhaps Zodiac meant to send in the communication on 10-27-69? but something went wrong? Perhaps Zodiac sent in communications that weren't recognized as his? Perhaps Zodiac had to change his plans (and communications?) as circumstances unexpectedly (or not) changed. Etc.

At any rate, I find it a compelling possibility because of how KACZYNSKI 0-3-6-9 shifts to Secret Pal?

K.....A.....C.....Z.....Y.....N.....S.....K.....I......
E.....A.....L ....C.....S.....E......P.....T.....R...... (anagrams to Secret Pal)(notice that SEPT is read straight)
6.....0.....9.....3.....6.....9......3.....9.....9....... (shift numbers series)
6.....0.....9.....3.....6.....9......6.....3.....0........(number series from SEPT 27-69-6:30)(SEPT=60, 9x3, 69-6:30)=(609369630)

The first 6 numbers match!!! But honestly I helped that along alittle bit, but not much. Two things: I used (9x3) instead of (3x9). And I used a shift that probably isn't the best one. Oh, don't get me wrong. The shift involved, if I'm not mistaken, is fairly locked in; it's just that the better shift, in my opinion, is the one that uses the TWO letter K's matching up with the TWO letter E's, since they are both the only double letters in each respective NINE letter series.

That would be:

K......A......C......Z.....Y......N......S.....K.....I......
E......A.......L ....C.....S.......T......P.....E.....R..... (anagrams to Secret Pal)
6......0.......9.....3.....6.......6......3.....6.....9..... (0-3-6-9 shift number series)
6......0.......9.....3.....6.......9......6.....3.....0......(car door possible cryptic number series)

Of course, I may have made just one little mistake that disqualifies the entire post and I apologize if I did that.

Actually though, the best comparison might be from Secret Pal to Kaczynski, like so:

S.....E.....C.....R.....E.....T.....P.....A.....L ....
Y.....N.....Z.....I.....K.....K.....S.....A.....C.....(anagram of KACZYNSKI)
6.....9.....3.....9.....6.....9.....3.....0......9.....(0-3-6-9 shift numbers)
6.....0.....3.....9.....6.....9.....6.....3......0.....(SEPT=60, 3X9=27, 69-6:30)=(60 27 69 630)=(693969309)

This seems better because it's 5 out of the first 6, but also the (30) is close to matching with the other (30).

So, in other words, it's a 5 out of 6 match and then 630 conpared to 309. As explained, the (630) was the time that Zodiac marked on the car door. What I'm wondering is with that 309 shift result (which would be the time of 3:09 according to the possible cryptic clue on the car door), does that make it more likely that Zodiac was seen near the Lake before 3:00?

In other words, if Zodiac had already worked out a cryptic clue that involved a Secret Pal to KACZYNSKI 0-3-6-9 shift with a number series result of:
693969309, might that indicate that he wanted to act on 3:09, so he could write SEPT 27-69-3:09 on a car door (or alternately sent in a communication?), giving the cryptic number series:
603969309, which would be only one number off of matching the Secret Pal to KACZYNSKI shift (693969309)?
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